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About Blee: enveloping our own autonomy directed digital ecosystem with Emacs
https://emacsconf.org/2024/talks/blee - Mohsen BANAN - Track: General
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• Am I too young to understand? Maybe I need to read the book
  • Aah I get it!! IPR forces single ownership of what are polyexistentials
• Takiyah Assaf: ​​gnome is not halal
  • Takiyah Assaf: ​​gnome is western
  • <gs-101> Did he elaborate on how GNOME is haram by his definition? Oh, sorry, nevermind, the quote on GNOME isn't from the speaker.
• <kswiss> interesting. and - obviously - radical thoughts. not sure about if Americanism critique is the core, but moreover a general critique of (extreme) capitalism mechanism. but that's certainly not merely a "Western" issue. imo
• <lounge-511> Okay, I have to admit, I love this political/philosophical dissection of software's impact on society.   Very interesting.
  • <gs-101> It's like an extension of the GNU (free software) thought. I think I need more literature on that topic...
  • <_bladez_> Essentially a free, open-source and privacy-respecting ecosystem akin to those provided by the big tech companies (Google, Microsoft, Apple).
• Paul Eduard​​: Great talk on Polyexistentials. Awesome to see EmacsConf including international voices .
• <lounge-511> He hit the nail on the head:  This point has been on my mind: Capitalism creates artificial scarcity and then manufactures junk to fill it.  How can that be overcome?  So that we get software that is actually needed ...
  • <plasmastrike> lounge-511: I don't know if this is a problem with Capitalism which can be many things to different people to the point the term might not mean much. I have a problem with people competing through corrosion rather than compition. For example google is restricting access to google drive api making everybodys app but googles worse. Capitilism "not fake Capitalism" predospes a free market which would limit this
• The blee panel actually is cool!
• Blaine Mooers: Very thought-provoking talk!
• Dovetailing nicely / with other talks from EmacsConf 2024
  • Working on Emacs vs working for Emacs
  • Peter mentioned “too much choice”
  • Mixing org-mode with programming languages
    • org-babel has successfully integrated org-mode with all kinds of languages
    • Has happened within the context of literature programming
      • cf. Literate Programming for the 21st Century (EmacsConf 2024)
    • Traditional programming mixed with org-mode
      • polymode is key to that
• Several concepts which were introduced like “dynamic blocks everywhere” and “COMEEGA” would probably require other talks
• <gs-101> Probably my favourite talk of the event
• <srandby> Wonderful talk!
• <lounge-511> This presentation gets better and better.
• <plasmastrike> lounge-511: I don't know if this is a problem with Capitalism which can be many things to different people to the point the term might not mean much. I have a problem with people competing through corrosion rather than compition. For example google is restricting access to google drive api making everybodys app but googles worse. Capitilism "not fake Capitilism" predospes a free market which would limit this
• <silverhikari> going to go checkout the book later as half way thorugh the talk i got term overload
• <lounge-511> Great talk, great software.
• <lounge-511> Thank you for the presentation Mosen.
• <kswiss> while this heavy topic is certainly a major critique of capitalism as such, i certainly would not mix in here any sort of religion-related things. hence leveraging "Halaal" for this is quite disturbing.

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Questions and answers go here:

• Q: You mentioned that there's two editions: one aimed at westerners, and one for worldwide readers. I'm from Brazil, which edition would you recommend? It's a western country, but you didn't make the distinction exclusive for the second edition, so I thought it would be better to ask.
  • A: For everybody listening to this conference, the international edition is the right choice.
  • It features more aggressive stance against intellectual property (being linked specifically to the American culture)
  • There are pieces in the book where the typical American audience might be offended
  • …But if your skin is thick enough to deal with reasonable criticism, the international edition for you.
• Q:Thank you for this talk! How does your perspective interface with works such as Yanis Varoufakis' Technofeudalism?
  • A: Not familiar with the book.
  • There is a lot of global growth and collective understanding towards the notion that the direction we’re headed in (i.e. American digital ecosystems) is dangerous.
  • We should revisit the entirety of the strategy.
  • [For the questioner] Can you clarify? (I'll write to you :) )
• Q:To what extent do you agree that the introduction of proprietary systems in education creates an environment for exploitation while at the same time diluting the learning value of the curriculum? My computing education at school amounted to learning how to use the MS Office suite - ie, the opposite of lasting, open knowledge.
  • A: The idea is that teaching and learning should be unrestricted, such as the Muslim/Iranian saying: “Passing along the learning is the tax on having learnt”.
  • “Being used as part of education”
• Q:As a specific example of how “ownership is not clean”, look at the Star Trek Picard series: they continuously asked Patrick Stewart to come do another Star Trek series but he wouldn't because Star Trek changed from what it used to be, at least until it they came up with a series that honored what Star Trek used to be. Does this intersect?
  • A: Not sure if I fully get the point.
  • On my criticism of the FOSS movement:
    • The idea is that we have jumped on the FOSS movement and recognized it as an alternative, but we haven’t looked deeply enough to see if our own philosophy and movement have problems.
    • The problems that I note is that the FOSS movement does not recognize clearly and explictly that the entirity of the intellectual property system is flawed.
    • It’s only now that we are seeing the FOSS movement is broader than the Western world.
    • The labels of Free Software and Open Source are not necessarily correct.
    • We are not paying enough attention to establishing relationship with society.
    • There’s a whole chapter in the book dedicated to this topic.
  • [To the questioner] Clarification please
    • The point of the question was even though a media company owned Star Trek they couldn't do what they wanted with the series if you involve other people. The question was also open ended so you did answer it by taking it where you wanted it to go.
• Q:How can we promote a culture of more active thought with regard to the societal impacts of ethical and philosphical choices made in the wider FOSS community?
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• Q: I am involved in Politics in my country, my party is very sympathetic to FOSS ideals and I've been pushing for better policy with regards to public procurement. Do you have any recommended reading materials designed for such an audience?
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